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PostSubject: ~ 25 dead fish   Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:03 pm

Last night I caught a large group of Tiger Endlers and spread them out among several breeders with Najas grass in preparation for taking them to Azalea today. Logistics required me to do that this way and I've done it before with no problems. Earlier today I checked on them and every single fish was dead. VERY FRUSTRATING.

Any ideas what I did wrong? Stress from sorting, overcrowding, lack of oxygen come to mind. To make matters worse 4 Northern Mountain Swordtails that I have grown very fond of didn't survive the netting and moving around last night. Rough handling?

Any input would be appreciated. I do not want this to EVER happen again. After I calm down, I'll make sure the dwarf puffers are OK and check the water parameters. Thanks for letting me vent on the forum.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:00 pm

Donald - sorry to hear of your loss.

If I had to guess, which is all anyone can do, I'd say stress.

As you noted, you followed the same protocol that you've  successfully used in the past....

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:29 pm

Wow Donald what a shame. Sorry to hear about the losses. I get upset when I lose 1. Can't imagine losing 25. Good luck with survivors.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:43 pm

The dwarf puffers are fine. Ate live brine shrimp last night.

Water parameters:

pH: 7.2
NH3: maybe a trace
NO2: maybe a trace
NO3: 0
KH: 40 ppm
GH: 180 ppm

I have some lime green endlers that need to be rehomed. I'll move them out in smaller groups to their new residence on the same day to reduce stress, I think.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:45 pm

I know I should know this but what is a "breeder"?  Is it some kind of small container?  
Did you by any chance use fresh water and forget to dechlorinate?  

All 25 fish dead leads me to believe it was some kind of poisoning - either from chlorinated water or from something which developed in the tank water which you used in the breeders.  (Assuming that breeders are some kind of container.)

Honestly, I have moved Endler's far more roughly (not on purpose) than you describe and they were fine.  I've had to keep them in small solo cups for a couple of hours while moving them and they were fine with that, too.  I'm sure you were as careful as can be and this disaster is due to some kind of problem with the water.  

What water was used to get the test results shown above?

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:25 pm

All the water came from the aquarium they were originally housed in. 3 dwarf puffers survived the experience unscathed. They are swimming around just fine as I type. The breeders I use:

http://www.kensfish.com/aquarium-supplies/fish-breeding-supplies/lees-net-breeder.html

http://www.kensfish.com/aquarium-supplies/fish-breeding-supplies/marina-multi-breeder-5-way-trap.html

http://www.kensfish.com/aquarium-supplies/fish-breeding-supplies/marina-floating-2-in-1-fish-hatchery.html

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:08 pm

Maybe the containers I used which are the ones I always employ had something in them. Oh well, I'll just be very, very careful from now on.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:00 pm

Sorry about your loss.

My first thought would be poisoning of some type. What was the filtration?
Lack of oxygen is another possibility.
Stress maybe, but I wouldn't expect that to get every fish even ones in separate containers.

Glad to hear that the puffers are surviving.
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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:19 pm

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Glad to hear that the puffers are surviving.

Thanks verbal. They are doing good.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:49 pm

Yeah, I think there was something that found a way into the breeders without your knowledge, and sometimes we are completely unaware that something has happened like this. I'm so sorry! I can't imagine your horror. Yikes.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:04 am

Thanks Liz. I was not a happy camper. About 40 years in the hobby and still killing fish...and now plants. :sadfish(:

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:20 am

I'm right there with you! It was not too long ago that I lost my entire stock of Tanganyikans, about 30 fish, including some very expensive Frontosa, so I definitely feel your pain. It is heartbreaking. Crying or Very sad

On a happier note, you will be glad to know that the Panaque you donated to my cause is still going strong in my tank, and is a real centerpiece fish when she graces us with her presence, out from inside her cozy driftwood lair.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:38 am

That's great to hear about the Panaque. She is a beauty.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:42 pm

@Donald wrote:
That's great to hear about the Panaque. She is a beauty.

What species? Is it a Royal Pleco?
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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:27 pm

No, it's a Peckoltia species, L-147. Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:33 am

Deborah wrote:
No, it's a Peckoltia species, L-147. Very Happy 

Nice fish. Given their usually attractive appearance and small adult size, I am surprised that the Peckolita plecos are not more popular.
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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:25 pm

FWIW that L-147 was purchased as a Clown Pleco. Mislabeled.

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PostSubject: Re: ~ 25 dead fish   Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:23 am

Remember how at one time all of the real clown plecos, i.e., Panaque [Panaqolus] maccus, were labeled as Peckoltia in all the books?

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