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PostSubject: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:54 pm

I just purchased a reactor for an experiment on nitrate reduction in freshwater aquaria. I got the idea from tweetyfish(Thanks). I have read that this can strip the tank of all the bacteria so it will be a long process. I am gonna start off with little flow and record. Once I see a pattern in numbers I can restrict or increase flow to adjust the levels in the tank. Video is uploading of the set up. To be continued................. Cool


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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:00 pm

Here is the video! tweetyfish let me know what you think.

http://s1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee460/flippercon/?action=view&current=00050.mp4
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:19 pm

Okay just took my water readings and I am a bit surprised on the levels

PH 7.6
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 40ppm Shocked Shocked
I think its from feeding veggies overnight and not removing it the next morning. I have been slacking on that end and it shows. The high nitrates will help me in the flow ratio and amount of media in the reactor. I am for the first time going to skip a 50% water change this week so I can better judge the levels as they drop or if they rise. I hope my fishies forgive me.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:18 pm

The title makes me think of something out of star trek.

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:20 pm

I agree - the higher end nitrate readings will make your evaluation easier. You'll see the results more readily. I think your fishies will definitely forgive you! I'm quite intrigued by this and am eager to see how it goes with your setup. Thank you for sharing! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:19 am

Movement of the media looks ok. You should see better movement in a few days after the media stops sticking together.
You will not see any reduction in NO3 for a few weeks while the bacteria gets established. So you might want to continue with your current water change schedule until you see the nitrates start to drop on their own.

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:21 am

Sorry if I missed it but what size system and how much media are you using?

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:21 am

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Movement of the media looks ok. You should see better movement in a few days after the media stops sticking together.
You will not see any reduction in NO3 for a few weeks while the bacteria gets established. So you might want to continue with your current water change schedule until you see the nitrates start to drop on their own.
The tank is a 125 with a fx5 and sump that does 600gph. The reactor is the two little fishies phosban 150.
I noticed Last night after about three hours the media was moving more freely. I had to cut the flow in half. The reactor said 200ml of the bioplastics so I added 100ml. I was thinking about the water changes and agree! I can't stand to see the levels that high. It took a lot of restraint last night not to do a 50% followed by another today.


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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:26 am

What size tank-water volume?

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:28 am

Sorry I was editing while you were typing. The tank is a 125 with a Fx5 and the sump that does 600 gph. The water in the sump is filled to the max which is roughly 25gallons. So volume I would say 140-150g.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:38 am

This is just my opinion but I think you wili need a bigger reactor with about 500ml to start on that much water volume. Thats what I did with my 180gal. Then I added another 500ml after about 4 weeks. I usually go bigger on most things.
You might get by with what you are using to start with to get the bacteria established but I don't know if you will see any real reduction of nitrates using that small amount of pellets.
Look foward to seeing what happens.

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:50 am

Of course if you tank is lightly stocked you might be ok with that amount. I tend to feed my fish to often.

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:01 am

Well I was being cautious because I heard it can completly strip all bacteria and phosphate from the tank. I don't want to eliminate it which the media does. It's funny I use to wait for nitrate levels to rise and now its the opposite. I am gonna do another water change this afternoon when I get off. I will detest Saturday morning and post the results. Have about 300ml of the media left and plenty of space In the reactor. I saw another type of reactor that had three hook ups to it. It basically looped the pump from sump and had a return with a valve to control the amount of water leaving the reactor. I am going to look for a bigger reactor. If anyone knows of good deals please let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:09 am

Never heard about stripping bacteria from an existing system. Just growing a different kind of bacteria that use NO3 and PO4 to complete their cycle.
I will try and find some better information about how they export nitrates and post a link. If it's ok to post links on this forum.

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:12 am

@tweetyfish wrote:
Never heard about stripping bacteria from an existing system. Just growing a different kind of bacteria that use NO3 and PO4 to complete their cycle.
I will try and find some better information about how they export nitrates and post a link. If it's ok to post links on this forum.

Feel free to post a link.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:24 am

Here's one http://www.livingreefs.com/running-bio-pellets-t33011.html

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:34 am

Here's two-still trying to find some freah water links to this. http://www.fishlore.com/biopellets.htm

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:46 pm

not sure about biopellets in fresh but when used i saltwater you have to start slow because it does strip what some corals need to survive.. there it is used in place of GFO to lower Phosphates and if added all at one will make a saltwater tank TOO clean killing off corals and the good Cor. Alage along with any micro you have growing in the fuge.
watch over time and adjust flow because as it starts growing in the pellets tend to stick together reducing the tumbling effect you need.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:50 pm

Thanks guys. I am checking it daily to make sure the flow is staying consistent. I am trying to basically keep my nitrates at 0-5 Ppm.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:58 pm

in saltwater it is the easy fool proof way of dosing carbon the old method was to dose Voka
but since i was already dumping money into the tank i was haveing a hard time giveing my tank a shot
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:29 am

I did a 50% water change Friday before we left for the meet. I did not get the readings until last night.

Ph 7.6
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrates 20ppm

I had added some new lights to the tank that I got last night as a bday gift from Jen. I got 2 36" marineland LED double brights. Theses light are pretty amazing. I'm not to far from having a salt set up but that is a year or two out. The reactor looks good, I had to turn the flow down considerably after the bioballs broke loose from each other. I may add more in a week or two but I want to give it time to seed. I will try and get more pictures of the set up today..
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:11 pm

I took readings again

Ph 7.6
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrates 20ppm

The nitrates have not risen in two days. Water changes is either gonna be tomorrow or Sunday.
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:42 pm

@Flippercon wrote:
I took readings again

Ph 7.6
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrates 20ppm

The nitrates have not risen in two days. Water changes is either gonna be tomorrow or Sunday.

Sounds like there starting to work a little. mabey you should add the rest of the pellets?

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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:45 pm

@tweetyfish wrote:
@Flippercon wrote:
I took readings again

Ph 7.6
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrates 20ppm

The nitrates have not risen in two days. Water changes is either gonna be tomorrow or Sunday.

Sounds like there starting to work a little. mabey you should add the rest of the pellets?
I think I will do that during water changes. Do you think I should double up?
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PostSubject: Re: Bioplastic in Phosban reactor 150   Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:16 pm

[quote="Flippercon"]
@tweetyfish wrote:
@Flippercon wrote:
I took readings again

Ph 7.6
Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrates 20ppm

The nitrates have not risen in two days. Water changes is either gonna be tomorrow or Sunday.

Sounds like there starting to work a little. mabey you should add the rest of the pellets?
I think I will do that during water changes. Do you think I should double up?[/quote

Yes, as long as you have room in the reactor you are using and the pump can keep all the pellets moving.

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