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PostSubject: Cold water suggestions   Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:36 pm

My 20 Gallon long that I had set up in my office had to go away. I plan on making it an unheated goldfish tank in my son's room.

Outside of goldfish, what would be good creatures that would thrive in an unheated tank?

More specifically, are there any shrimp/cories/algea eaters/snails that would do well in those temps that would help with some of the tank maintenance?

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:46 pm

Cory paleatus, weather loach, grass/glass/ghost shrimp, red ramshorn, pond snails, mystery snails ...
Also James/York River natives: swallowtail shiner, satinfin shiner, banded killifish, margined madtom ...
The "common pleco" usually sold in most shops (Pterygoplichtys) can handle cold, but of course they get too big. Not sure which small "pleco" types can handle cold. Maybe Ancistrus? Check on planetcatfish.com
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:51 pm

I actually have some peppered cories already in the 55 gallon that I could transfer as well as a common pleco. I would think the gold fish would eat the shrimp?

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:45 am

Maybe, maybe not, depends on size of shrimp vs size of fish. But hey, if you buy them from the feeder shrimp tank anyway ...
... or a how about a Mexican orange dwarf crayfish?
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:59 am

How cold will the tank get.

White clouds are a good option if it won't get super cold. Some of the barbs really are more subtropical than tropical.

Unless your son is really set on goldfish, they really get too big for a 20 long.
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:59 am

I was the one set on goldfish more than him. I wanted to get 2-3 fan tails. They seem to grow slower and it would take several years before they out grew the tank.

I expect the tank to be between 65 and 70 degrees most of the time.

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sun Jan 26, 2014 3:46 pm

If you get goldfish you might want a small group of scavengers.

You probably want something for algae control. A BN pleco would be fine with the temps or snails should work also.
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:02 pm

Hey David,

Not sure if you're still considering cold water or anything, but here are some other common species which would do well in cold water (65-70 degrees):

Zebra Danios, Rosy Barbs, Cherry Shrimp, White Cloud minnows, and Gambusia (sometimes sold as feeder guppies). Paradise fish work as well. Obviously, with fancy goldfish, most of these won't be compatible (perhaps the Rosy Barbs).
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:41 pm

I got the gold fish today, but I do need some scavengers of some kind.....

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:06 pm

I have a cold water tank (tank without a heater) next to my desk. We keep our house around 72f most of the year. In the summer it may get a little warmer. I keep a thermometer in there and the water temperature is very close. I stock Fancy Guppies, Bristle Nose Plecos, Ghost and Cherry Shrimp and Kuni  Loaches with out any problems. I'm not sure how it would workout if we constantly kept our house at 68f or less. I don't do Goldfish... Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:46 pm

goldfish are dirty and get large, minnows would be better.
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:00 am

goldfish are a done deal, the fat lady has sung on that. Pictures to come. But because they are dirty, I am looking for a little help in the clean up dept. I need those cherry shrimp! haha

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:30 pm

they will eat red cherry shrimp
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:41 pm

Well, in a cool water tank, you might actually have some success with Apple snails. Most people keep them in tropical tanks and they rarely last a year. But in cold/subtropical tanks you might find they work quite well.
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:59 pm

japanese trapdoor snails are cold water snails.
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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:57 am

Keep in mind that the "dirt" produced by the goldfish is not something that will be consumed by scavengers. It will consist of digestive/respiratory wastes, handled with large, frequent water changes.

I have a goldfish tank in my kitchen (you've seen it, David), that is unheated, a 20 high with 3 fantails. I do 50% once a week and it stays pretty clean, though there is a ton of gunk I suction up every time. I have two Colombian ramshorns in that tank that seem quite happy, but they do nothing but contribute to the waste, if anything! I almost don't consider it a "cold" tank because it is always the temp of the room, which runs about 67 in the winter and 73 in the summer.

I keep a similar goldfish tank at work, unheated, a 45, and have mystery snails in there with the goldfish.

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PostSubject: Re: Cold water suggestions   Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:01 pm

I am a big fan of your gold fish tank as well! I have found that the shrimp in particular will tend to scavenge on detritus and recycle any leftover nutrient value there. The shrimp waste is smaller and easier for the microorganisms that you see in the microscope to digest. But I will still do the responsible water changes on a routine basis as well. I plan on putting some catfish in there as well, just not sure which ones yet.

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