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PostSubject: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:25 pm

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It looks like someone sanded the front of his mouth off. He is interested in any type of food I offer him but he doesn't eat. I've seen a similar condition in tetras (serpaes and neons) I have had before but they died before I could even think about treating them.

All the parameters are good. The aquarium has been up and running for several years with no real problems.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:24 am

Sad In my last post I almost said it's time to remove him to a separate small QT tank for treatment. I feel strongly that the salts WOULD help and if nothing else they will make him feel much better and ease respiration. The net breeder is one way of isolating him but it may be causing other issues, like restricting movement which may cause stress. It's hard to know.

I liked the idea of keeping him in with the others, at first. That's when I thought we were going to have a quick resolution, i.e., either he gets well or dies. Neither happened, as you point out. I'm surprised he is still hanging in there although it does not sound good. Is there a way to separate him?

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:51 am

He is still here. I'll try to get a small setup at PetSmart. Pickup the Maracyn Plus and Tetra SafeStart.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:06 pm


I hope this guy pulls through hate to see an apisto go down, I think you have been doing a great job keeping him together this long.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:54 pm

Thanks Leanback. He is a great fish and worthy of the effort.

I could not get to PetSmart and they don't have Maracyn Plus in stock anyway (off topic, can these big box stores have at least one person who knows the basics of fish keeping on staff?)
So we released him back into the rest of the tank. He looked miserable in the breeder. I fed the fish a little later and he jumped out of his clay pot and grabbed a respectable amount of microworms before retreating back to his hideout.

So the plan now is get the things I need for a QT ASAP and set it up. Hopefully he will still be around.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:18 pm

The fact that he is interested in food is a VERY good sign. Fish don't eat at all when they're "done for," so I'm pleased to hear that he wanted to eat.

Some fish are worth a little effort, and it sounds like he's one of them. Being miserable in the breeder doesn't help him battle an illness, so I like how you were sensitive to that.

A Q tank is never a bad idea. A small sponge filter running in your main tank at all times is a great thing to have when you need to whip out a small 5-10 gallon Q tank on short notice. Fill it with water, pop in the sponge filter and you're good to go. Fingers crossed!

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:46 pm

I am embarrassed to say I lost him. Time to invest in a QT tank.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:33 pm

Don't be embarrassed! You really tried, and you probably did more than many would do.

Sometimes it doesn't matter what we do, and their immune systems just can't beat whatever it is. I'm really sorry - he was a stunner of a specimen when I saw him. Crying or Very sad

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:58 pm

Oh I'm embarrassed I wasn't prepared with a QT tank. Lesson learned.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:41 pm



Sorry to hear Donald, as Liz says you did more than most would have done to keep him going.
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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:52 am

@Donald wrote:
Oh I'm embarrassed I wasn't prepared with a QT tank. Lesson learned.

Yes, but as we noted sometimes it's better to leave the ailing fish where he is. At least, at the end, he had eaten some food and was released from the net breeder back into his familiar surroundings. If no other fish in the tank looks like they might be coming down with the same thing, or was affected adversely by the treatment, then I think you can consider that you did the right things for the apisto, as far as you (or anyone) knew what to do. That said, I'm very sorry he is gone. Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:49 pm

I think we did the right thing. I just wish I had QT after it appeared that was the next option. Thank you for everyone's input and kind words.

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PostSubject: Re: Male Apistogramma cacatuoides with blunted mouth?   Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:39 pm

Real sorry Donald to read of your loss, man you did everything anyone could do......... and because you were posting through the process we might all become better fish keepers as a result.
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